tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7187403837913738089.post4833756766874347219..comments2023-12-15T02:26:43.878-06:00Comments on CSU Faculty Voice: A Tragedy At So Many LevelsPhillip Beverlyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05105319296231539370noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7187403837913738089.post-55637507225438000342013-09-04T11:42:22.341-05:002013-09-04T11:42:22.341-05:00Hi B.B. My reading of Phillip's post was not ...Hi B.B. My reading of Phillip's post was not that your motives were in question. I believe this phrase from Phillip's post referred to my earlier blog announcing the controversy. Phillip argues that we should not "support or oppose something or someone predicated on base self interest." The assumption being, of course, that this is what I did in supporting you. What is my base self-interest, I wonder. So, it was not you in question here but, rather, it was my character impugned and my motives questioned. It was an admonishment from a senior colleague to be mindful of motives and not to jump to conclusions based on an assumption that has yet to be proven and (I am assuming, since we are now doing this on the blog) on the word of someone in admin or DOSA or some rules and regs handbook. Would that be jumping to conclusions without a full accounting of the information (call it data if you like)? Why would their word be deemed more credible by our faculty colleague than a student's word and email documentation? I believed a credible student source and documents that I saw and chose to present what I know and ask questions regarding the relationships between various constituencies on campus. This constituted 'misleading' readers and 'throw[ing] things against the wall to see what sticks' in the minds of at least two of our faculty colleagues.<br /><br />I don't believe your character is in question. But, for two, at least, of my colleagues mine is. I guess the work will have to speak for itself. And if my colleagues ever find my hidden motives for attempting to help African American studies a few years ago or support the student-led vigil last night, then I would love to hear it.<br /><br />BTW, the vigil that B.B. and others organized last night was very touching and healing for many of us including me, a member of this community and father. Thank you.Professor Panchohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15683107394023817405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7187403837913738089.post-54701624123521348132013-09-02T22:49:34.079-05:002013-09-02T22:49:34.079-05:00Greetngs faculty, as one of the organizers of the ...Greetngs faculty, as one of the organizers of the candlelight vigil set to take place Tuesday I am commenting on this blog to dispell all rumours and innuendo regarding this student organized event. First off, the issue of students handling money was never given as a reason for not allowing this vigil to move forward. If this issue had been raised I'm certain that those of us who endeavour to hold this event for our friend, who we did know, would have happily adhered to the rules in place regarding the handling of money in order to hold this event. Moreover, here is a fact that I would love for those who are concerned with audit findings and the institution folllowing its own rules to investigate. The Homecoming dance, which was held on January 26, 2013 the largest cash handeling event the University held in the 2013 spring semester, which was managed by DOSA, allowed a student Mr. Enrique Dunkin to collect the money,exclusively, that was paid at the door, please check the records their was no one hired by the cashiers office or any external vendor. Also, a comedy show which was held on January 23, 2013 money was collected at the door by a student at this event as well guess the name Mr. Enrique Dunkin. Clearly the issue here is an all to familiar issue, the administration picking which students it deems worthy of contributing to the University. For the record I attempted to follow protocal and submitted a room request to the director of student activities her response was no because she was holding one herself. I also invited President Watson days before the DOSA event took place my documents were time stamped as well. Telkia was my friend and a day before he was murdered I was on the phone laughing with him and talking about the upcoming semester, so for those who suggest or presume my motives are anything but genuine shame on you.B.Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00831447102667779752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7187403837913738089.post-7524848622663141052013-09-02T18:17:04.066-05:002013-09-02T18:17:04.066-05:00I agree with Phillip and regret the communication ...I agree with Phillip and regret the communication problems on campus and my contribution to them as a faculty member. In addition, he is correct in that the conversation has been misdirected as a result. This is not the first time that members of our community and/or our families have been victims of interpersonal violence. Chicago State is uniquely placed because of our student body and the many excellent faculty working in various ways to develop understandings and solutions to the all-too-common violence we see these days. <br /><br />My desire in my initial post was not to take away from this conversation and the work being done. Instead, it was to raise questions about relations on campus. The answers to why DOSA would not allow the student-led candlelight vigil can be found in documents related to it. These, I'm sure, can be easily accessed. An email from DOSA to a student organizer of the event did not mention the collection of money as a reason for rejecting the application for the event. Instead, it claims proper procedures were not followed. Student informant says that this is untrue. We should, as Phillip argues, conduct due diligence by examining all relevant material.Professor Panchohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15683107394023817405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7187403837913738089.post-56425390000412895972013-09-02T17:21:21.921-05:002013-09-02T17:21:21.921-05:00I agree with Phillip and regret the communication ...I agree with Phillip and regret the communication problems on campus and my contribution to them as a faculty member. In addition, he is correct in that the conversation has been misdirected as a result. This is not the first time that members of our community and/or our families have been victims of interpersonal violence. Chicago State is uniquely placed because of our student body and the many excellent faculty working in various ways to develop understandings and solutions to the all-too-common violence we see these days. <br /><br />My desire in my initial post was not to take away from this conversation and the work being done. Instead, it was to raise questions about relations on campus. The answers to why DOSA would not allow the student-led candlelight vigil can be found in documents related to it. These, I'm sure, can be easily accessed. An email from DOSA to a student organizer of the event did not mention the collection of money as a reason for rejecting the application for the event. Instead, it claims proper procedures were not followed. Student informant says that this is untrue. We should, as Phillip argues, conduct due diligence by examining all relevant material.Professor Panchohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15683107394023817405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7187403837913738089.post-43211317665837310552013-09-02T13:25:47.215-05:002013-09-02T13:25:47.215-05:00I am puzzled by part of what Phillip writes (with ...I am puzzled by part of what Phillip writes (with much of the rest I agree). He writes, "The event would be sanctioned if all of the requisite paperwork was completed and an employee from the Cashier’s office were present to collect the money. Otherwise, the university would be at risk of an audit finding, and likely a criminal investigation for mishandling money. If the student did not agree to the rules as they have been implemented for several years then that student would not be allowed to conduct that event. My understanding is that the student communicated their unwillingness to adhere to the standard protocol. The Division of Student Affairs has legal, moral and fiduciary responsibility for our students and the institution."<br />I am not sure what the law is, but over the past twenty-eight years on this campus I have developed a sense of what accepted practice is. I take it the issue that concerns Phillip is the collection of $1 from people who attend the vigil to give to the family. If this is an issue, then the administration can encourage the vigil but not the collection. Still, all kinds of collections occur all the time on campus for all kinds of things: food and clothing drives are well advertised, but there are commonly collections and sales to raise money for student organizations (including the biology department's well publicized plant sales). To my knowledge the administration has never attempted to interfere with such fundraising. So I am at a loss to understand how such a collection raises issues different from these commonly accepted fundraising practices. Please explain.<br />I have thought the students were doing well in organizing this vigil. I have supported their effort. Should I not attend and support the vigil and advertise it among my students? Why not?Paul Gomberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10532991282987477464noreply@blogger.com